Jefferson John Gets His Say
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Jefferson John starts here;
What, Olsen's even turning to conservatives to help improve his image in Jefferson?Free Will responds;
Olsen, a Democrat who is constantly reminding us locals that "This hand just shook the hand of the Governor" or Herb Kohl or whoever else will let him into their office, doesn't base his opposition to Wal-Mart on a deep affection for Federalism.
As any political operative knows, this can change with the wind (or the voices in his head, or undocumented phone calls, or imaginary surveys) and no one can accuse you of flip-flopping if you're only doing What The People Want. Olsen has a long history of opposing public examination and public influence over the economic development process in Jefferson and Jefferson County. Where's the "local control" and goodness in that? All this is documented on my community web site.
Whew, the anger, the vitriol...all this, coming from someone who writes a couple thousand words based on oodles of hours of legal research extolling the dangers of placing a Christian cross in an old folks home.Jefferson John can’t let it go;
(Which can be found here)
I've never met Mr. Olsen, and if I left you with the impression I am anti-Wal-Mart, then you were too busy formulating your next rant and not absorbing the words on the paper.
A few of your objections and observations should be applauded, however, your stumbling musings reminds me of the blind squirrel; even he finds a nut every now and then.
Let go of the heated rhetoric and put your mind in a peaceful place. I know an old folks home where they'll let you sit to absorb the grace and comfort of Christ.
If not there, then go to Vinnie's Rock Bottom and tell him I sent you.
...My mind's already in a peaceful place, thank you. And thank you for at least reading my web; Xoff didn't seem to.OK, Free Will is starting to enjoy this;
If you read my Countryside page as closely as you'd like me to read yours, you would see that I opposed the use of public funds for a cross and altar, as well as placing it out in the open on the wall of the multipurpose room.
I think they needed to be a bit more considerate of everyone's right to free expression and religious worship.
The greatest affirmation of my position came from a Countryside resident during the public forum. She asked when they were going to get a Catholic cross... because to her eyes, this one was decidedly too Lutheran and not a Catholic crucifix. Her request was ignored.
Stay tuned for his rebuttal below. I just hope this guy isn’t an ACLU attorney. I may be defending the Church for months.No one, anywhere, should have their right to free expression of religious worship limited, including those at Countryside who display a Christian cross.
People like you and Annie Laurie Gaylor who demand keeping all religious symbols in a lock box are soulless snobs.
But, I will defend your right to be soulless snobs.
Public money has always been used to some degree in the ecumenical arena -- from the GI Bill that sent many WWII soldiers to Catholic universities, to job training grants given to the Salvation Army.
It is you and your kind who put-up a stink every Christmas when the local library displays a Manger scene that drives me and my kind insane.
I commend you on your intellectual arguments, however, for me, it is a gut check. Or, more accurately, a heart check.
In your heart, you know fighting over the legal subtleties of religion in public life is not converting anyone; certainly not Congress, who begin every session day with a prayer.
Relax. And if you feel so passionate about this and the Wal-Mart issue, go run for office. Subject yourself to the court of public opinion.
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No, I don't think the County should be writing checks for cross and altar and lectern. Where would you draw the line?
There's no need for you to take up the Cross. I'll defend it. The original plans for the brand-new Countryside Home included a separate room for worship, but it was lost in budget-trimming. They wanted a separate space but didn't get it.
I think a separate, private space is more appropriate, don't you? If you were grieving with family and wanted to do it in front of your favorite religious symbol, or if you were a resident who wanted a few minutes along to pray, would you want to do it in the same room as the afternoon's bingo game or exercise class? I'm not sure the Gospel can help us here; there are verses that praise praying on street corners and others that tell you to do it alone.
And what's with the suggestion that I run for office? Can't some of us simply express ourselves? And why on Earth do you think I'd get up in arms about Bible-reading in Edgerton? Good luck to them. Maybe you don't know about the Edgerton Bible Case?. There's no need for soulless snobs to get involved. Catholics and Protestants fight well enough on their own.
Which gets back to my previous point. Let's wallow in the specifics a while. What about the Catholic Countryside resident who wanted a crucifix? Should the County buy her one, too? Can she rightfully complain or even sue if the Protestants get to spend more public dollars than the Catholics, or if one cross isn't the same size or hangs lower than the other? Is this a "majority wins and gets to stifle dissent" situation? Is it right to tell her that she should be satisfied with what she can hang in her own private room? Should they buy a Torah in advance of ever having a Jewish resident? I've been told it might be wise from a marketing perspective, as Countryside wants to attract more paying residents.
Next time you're in University Hospital, peek in their - well, I don't know what they'd prefer to call it. There's stained glass and maybe a Bible on a table and I think a needlepoint Scripture verse. No Cross.
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